We just completed a huge series on Kings of Con featuring an introduction to the series, our staff’s favorite moments, fans’ favorite moments, and favorite moments from the cast and crew of the show. Now, we have the big finale!
We were so lucky to be able to get an interview with Rob Benedict and we couldn’t think of a better way to close out our series on it!
(Editors note: Rich was also supposed to partake in the interview but is currently busy directing Supernatural; Rob graciously decided to answer for both of them and his answers are gold!)
Read our interview with Rob below!
Nerds and Beyond: We’re doing a big article on Kings of Con and gathering what fans and other actors favorite moments were, either ones they filmed themselves, or ones they saw on the show that they weren’t in. Can you you tell us what your favorite moment was from the series?
Rob Benedict: It’s hard to pick a favorite moment because they were all like our children that we birthed – that was what was so rewarding about the process. I literally sit here and try to give a few moments to you and I honestly cannot pick – it was especially thrilling to see all of our friends and great actors we know perform our words — people like Mike Cudlitz, Ron Livingston, Ike Barinholtz, Josh Meyers, Rick Gomez, Jill Benjamen, Lindsay Sloane. And our SPN friends that breathed life to the main characters – Matt Cohen, Gil McKinney, Sebastian Roche, Kim Rhodes, Kurt Fuller, Oz Chau. And of course Carly Nykanen and Jay Lund as Handler Beth and Photographer Kurt. We were blessed with such an amazing cast.
Nerds and Beyond: I know you’ve mentioned a few times at various cons that you’re still looking for a home for Kings of Con and that the two of you would still love to do another season. Can we have an update with the current progress, and if there’s any hope for Season 2?
Rob Benedict: We can’t give details but we’re currently in talks with a potential home and it is looking very positive!
Nerds and Beyond: You had a lot of guest actors come on to do bits on the show, like Matt Cohen, Kim Rhodes, Osric Chau, Kurt Fuller, Josh Meyers, etc. Did you create any of the characters with them in mind? Or did the actors have any inputs on their characters?
Rob Benedict: Some of them we did create with them in mind. Matt, Osric, Kim, Gil and Sebastian were always set in our mind. Kurt we weren’t sure if we could get but he was in the back of our mind. Josh’s character was originally written for Tim Omundson, who was doing a movie and couldn’t be there. I called Josh and he stepped in like a champ and totally nailed it. But all of the characters were written and the actors stepped in and brought life to it. There were little bits that they changed, like for example Kim was supposed to chain smoke and she had the suggestion that it was a vape which we loved.
Nerds and Beyond: From a writing standpoint, what was your favorite character in Kings of Con to write?
Rob Benedict: I am partial to Sebastian’s character Serge. Rich does a great impersonation of him, and I can write how he speaks. So it was fun to write out his dialogue and watch Rich give it a test drive. Rich wrote most of Josh’s character Kent O’Grady, which was fun as well. It was also always fun for me to write Rich and Rob’s dialogue. I know us as “characters” so well and it was fun to create them bumbling their way through situations.
Nerds and Beyond: What is your favorite line you wrote for the show?
Rob Benedict: Again, really hard to pick. I find myself saying the lines in conversation, usually with people who’ve never seen the show and they’re like, “wha—?”. Lines like “let me be your mirror, you fucking rock”, which Rich wrote. “Shakespeare bitches!” which I wrote. “You sticking with the flaming dildo bit?” “you don’t kill a classic” “cool”. which was both of us. Really our writing is very much the both of us – we make good writing partners.
Nerds and Beyond: Who came up with WWBKD? (What would Bernie Kopell do?)
Rob Benedict: We both did. We were laughing one day that in his day Bernie was a Lothario. We were musing that he wouldn’t be cast in that role in 2018, he’s more of an accountant type, but in the 80s, Bernie was the ladies man. Then we looked him up and just kept riffing about it. That man was a legend! He knew the secret to life! From that came What Would Bernie Kopell Do? Then we wrote Bernie’s reps to ask permission to use his headshot and the word came back that he wanted to be in it! We freaked out. It was such an honor, to be actually working with THE LEGEND that is Bernie Kopell. The original playboy.
Nerds and Beyond: In some of the episodes, you can see that you’re filming at a real convention. In the next few, there are re-creations of the conventions. What were some of the pros and cons of filming at an actual event as opposed to one that was staged?
Rob Benedict: The purpose of filming at a real convention was to get the expanse of the audience and the energy. But when you go in to film the scenes you need to be able to control the set – the volume, the angles, etc. So that part needed to be staged.
Nerds and Beyond: Everyone loved the after show, Kings of Conversation. What prompted you to do an after show, what inspired some of the segments, and what was some of your favorite parts about it?
Rob Benedict: That was one of those things that Comic-Con HQ brought up and it was something that Rich and I were already talking about. Rich had had the idea of doing a talk show with a band and his original idea was to do it for Supernatural. He actually pitched it to the WB but they didn’t go for it. So he had that idea mulling about. Then CCHQ brought it up and we were like YES. We’ve got the band. We’re your built in hosts. We’re ready to go. They passed it off on to a production company called Pilgrim who did a banner job putting it together. As luck would have it Rich was out of town directing SPN so I hosted the first several eps solo.
Nerds and Beyond: What was your favorite photo op pose from Kings of Conversation?
Rob Benedict: I think you gotta go with the classic “Mommas Garden”.
Nerds and Beyond: Are there any other projects that the two of you are working on that you could share with us?
Rob Benedict: Well, Rich is directing an episode in the 14th season of SPN. He also has an indie movie “Driven” coming out at some point soon-ish. I too have an indie movie “30 Miles From Nowhere” coming out later this year. And I am writing a feature film script and looking for my next acting gig!
Quickfire Questions:
Who is your favorite superhero? Rob Benedict: Superman
Last TV show you binge-watched? Rob Benedict: Westworld
What’s your favorite Dad joke? Rob Benedict: What do you call a Fish with no eyes? FSH. (someone just told me this on my Chicago bus tour!)
Last band or artist you listened to? Rob Benedict: Radiohead. (that is always the answer)
We asked Rob previously and he said black/white – but Rich, what color would your lightsaber be? Rob Benedict: I’m going to answer for him: pink polka dot
Thank you again to the wonderful Rob Benedict for doing the interview with us! We so look forward to hopefully good news on Season 2 soon!
Welcome to part 4, in our Kings of Con series (We’ve got a surprise finale for you tomorrow!) You can read part 1, an introduction to Kings of Con here, part 2, our staff’s favorite moments here, and part 3, fans’ favorite moments here.
In this part, cast and crew members from the show told us what their favorite moments from filming were. We hear from Matt Cohen, Kim Rhodes, Gil McKinney, Osric Chau, Mandy Musgrave, Laurie Fortier, Billy Moran, Carly Nykanen and Tina Densmore! See their favorite moments below!
Matt Cohen (Matt Cochran)
“I completely loved doing the scene where Rob kisses my wife (Mandy Musgrave). Not the part of Rob kissing my wife, but the monologue that I get to do before that. I just had a really good time being in a scene with both Rich and Rob and being able to deliver Rob‘s writing and to be directed by Rich. To this day it’s the most fun I’ve ever had on set.”
Mandy Musgrave (Stella)
“It was absolutely the most comfortable and hilarious projects that I have been apart of. Just a bunch of handsome, passionate, brilliant dorks creating genius.”
Gil McKinney (Chip)
“I thoroughly enjoyed watching Josh Meyers attempt to eat plate after plate of potatoes au gratin! My favorite moment as Chip was definitely crashing the sweet 16 party.”
Laurie Fortier (The Bearded Superfan)
“My favorite moment was in ep 2 Whippany, NJ Still Whipping. The Huge Janus line, which is suppose to sound like ‘huge anus’. Rob and Rich kept making me crack me up. Not to mention, I was in full beard. Love those guys. I had a blast. I’d go full beard for those two anytime.”
Kim Rhodes (Sue)
“The short answer [of my favorite moment] is biting Rob’s lip. I have a longer answer [but not enough time] that’s much more respectful about collaboration and the joy of working with geniuses who know you that you trust.”
Osric Chau (Osric)
“On most projects, you make a few best friends by the end of it. With Kings of Con, we started the project being best friends with everyone. It’s such a rare and wonderful treat.”
Billy Moran (Louden Swain)
“Aside from the dirty guitar parts heard throughout, 😉 I really loved watching Josh Meyers own the Kent O’Grady character. He killed it!”
Carly Nykanen (Handler Beth)
“Kings of Con was such a special experience in so many ways: the cast was insanely talented and kind, Rob and Rich made everyone feel so loved and appreciated, Tina and Elly [producers] are literal angels on Earth, the crew was obviously talented but also SO FUNNY, and in a perfect world, I’d be a “Social Maven” on Kings of Conversation every Tuesday night til the end of time. But my favorite moment might be from Episode 2 when Rob is pouring his heart out to “Handler Beth.” I showed up on set, introduced to Rob for the first time, and within 30 minutes we were filming a scene where he was standing absurdly close while whispering all his insecurities to me. It being my first day on set, I wanted to present myself as professional, but we both couldn’t stop giggling. Luckily, “Handler Beth” came off sufficiently unamused in the scene. I don’t think I’ll ever work another job as special as Kings of Con.”
Tina Densmore (Producer)
“I joined Kings if Con as an outsider. I didn’t know much about Rob & Rich, Supernatural, the world of fandom, any of it. I liked the script and thought it’d be a fun project and so I said yes. I’ll never forget our first meeting, the guys won me over instantly and they were so passionate about the project and the world they were creating and I couldn’t help but respect how adamant they were that we were never ever to make fun of fans – that’s not what this show was. Looking back now two years later I can’t pick a favorite moment, and trust me I know how cliche that sounds…but what we did was special. Its such a lucky thing when you get to work on a project with amazing creators and then have a family formed from that. We were trapped in a hotel together, working long hours, getting very little sleep for over a month, and we loved every second of what we were doing. It’s the classic “Even on our worst days I could step back and say, ‘but look at what we get to do as our jobs!” And trust me there weren’t very many days when we needed reminding of that.
What I can tell you is what I miss the most. I miss the moments sitting at the monitor with Rob and Rich trying to hold in our laughter so our sound mixer Armando doesn’t have to yell at us for ruining a take. I miss showing up to work an hour early to run through every scene with the guys and our DP Mark Evans. I miss grabbing a beer every night to recap the day, because even after 12 long hours of shooting we weren’t ready to leave each other and wanted to plan the next day to make sure this project came out the best it possibly could. I miss being a part of the magic that is Rob and Rich’s world, there’s no other word for it. Rob and Rich bring the magic and it’s infectious. That’s how we got our amazing cast and crew. That’s why still, 2 years later we have incredible fans calling for #renewkoc. That’s why every day I hold out hope today is the day I get the call from the guys saying, “Time to start Season 2. Let’s Wolfstone.” And let me just say, as someone who started off as an outsider and has transformed into a full fledged insider of the world of Rob and Rich, I’m really looking forward to that call.”
As July turns into August, you may be feeling that summer heat right about now. It is clear Stands definitely is, because it has released tank top versions of many of the past Supernatural campaign designs!
From Rachel Miner’s “Be the Clarence” campaign to Richard Speight’s “How’s Tricks?” campaign, and everything in between, both old and new campaigns are available in tank tops for one week only. Sizes range on most styles between extra small and XLL. They are available here, but only for a short time, so get yours today!
Netflix’s reboot of Bravo’s 2003 hit makeover series Queer Eye is currently filming its third season in Kansas City, Missouri. The series centers around a group of five gay men, “The Fab Five”, and their attempts to help people become the very best version of themselves, one person at a time. Each member of the Fab Five contributes to a different aspect of life: grooming, food and wine, design, fashion and culture. The show immediately caught on with viewers thanks to its relevance to today’s society, its lessons on inclusiveness and its meme-able cast.
Here are the two biggest reasons you should consider either adding Queer Eye to your Netflix watchlist if you have not already or, if you have, bingeing seasons 1 and 2 again just one more time.
The Journey
The most rewarding part of the makeover process is not the end result but instead the journey that it takes to get there.
In “Camp Rules” (season 1 episode 5) the Fab Five make over a devout Christian father of six and we see a powerful lesson in acceptance. Bobby Camp explains to the Fab Five “you’ve taught me so much about loving somebody that’s come from a different background than me, that has a different world view than me, that has a different story. But you’re people and hopefully my kids have seen it-that we’re all people,” causing more than a few teary eyes with groomer Jonathan Van Ness quipping “well thanks for making me cry. Pretty cold.”
In “Sky’s the Limit” (season 2 episode 5), the guys are brought in to assist Skyler Jay, a young transgender man who recently completed his top surgery. Though mostly confident in his journey, Jay was still struggling with some aspects of manhood, having never had a male figure in his life to teach him basic lessons such as shaving. The episode addresses several issues that transgender men face while also celebrating Jay’s journey. One of the more meaningful moments comes at one of the most unexpected places, the DMV, where Jay is finally able to change the gender marker on his drivers license.
The Fab Five
Jonathan Van Ness – grooming
The biggest draw of the show, however, is the Fab Five themselves. Arguably the heart of the show is groomer Van Ness. A walking meme, Van Ness showers everyone with as much love as possible while using hilarious descriptions such as “world tour purpose Biebs, except for one that didn’t get canceled” or “strugs to func”. He sees everyone’s beauty from the inside out and it is refreshing to witness the world through his eyes. While Van Ness is responsible for the more visual makeover of each individual, what comes across most is his love for humanity.
Bobby Berk – interior design
Some of the show’s most heartfelt moments have come via designer Berk who has twice faced a past where he was forced to become an outcast from his church, a time that he states in one episode “is a really sensitive topic for me.” In the premiere episode of season 2, “God Bless Gay”, Berk speaks to Tammye Hicks about his personal issues with the church and is met with understanding and compassion. No matter what space Berk is given to work with he always manages to turn it into a work of art.
Antoni Porowski – food and wine
When season one ended one of the biggest jokes involved Porowski being a food expert who only knew how to do things with avocados. If you actually watch the show, though, he does much more. No one who is new to cooking is going to be able to learn to cook a five course meal within a couple of days. What Porowski does is teach a simple and realistic recipe that any beginning cook can master.
Tan France – fashion
Upon my first binge of the show, fashion expert France was my stand out favorite. With his silver hair and British accent, it was hard not to fall immediately in love. France uses fashion as a teaching tool, showing that even the smallest touches can change a person’s look and, in turn, boost their self esteem. He describes the importance of looking nice, not only for the benefit of other people but for the benefit of the individual.
Karamo Brown – culture
As the culture expert on the show, it is Brown’s job to delve into the mindset of each individual and find out anything that may be mentally holding them back from achieving their full potential. Brown shines during his one-on-one conversations that take place while he is driving the individual to the next location. The lack of forced eye contact relaxes the person enough to open up and allow Brown in just enough to lay the foundations for change.
All in all, Queer Eye is worth a watch simply because it provides a happy escape in a world of chaos. There is no judgment, no harsh words. Just kindness and love brought to you in the form of five individuals who more than live up to the word “fab”.
It has been announced that Walt Disney World is now offering V.I.PASSHOLDER Nights for guests to enjoy exclusively at their favorite Disney Parks!
Here are the dates being offered:
Magic Kingdom
Sunday 8/5, 10 p.m.-12 a.m.
Epcot
Thursday 9/6, 9-11 p.m
Thursday 10/25, 9-11 p.m.
Food and Wine Festival dates to be announced coming soon!
As always, there is limited capacity so registration is required for each (Gold-Premier) Passholder that is attending one of the events. Don’t forget, you may register up to three Gold, Platinum, Platinum Plus, or Premier if they are linked to your Family & Friends List if you would like them to join you on another adventure! Make sure you have your Annual Pass Card and a valid Photo ID at check in.
Disney is offering so many opportunities to check out the parks so don’t miss out!!
Uncharted is a third-person action video game from Naughty Dog that can be played on Sony PlayStation. The series currently has four video games, a few motion comics, a comic book and a board game. It follows Nathan Drake, a world travelling treasure hunter who unearths possessions from history long thought to be lost.
On July 16 Allan Ungar posted Uncharted – Live Action Fan Film on YouTube with Nathan Fillion playing the role of Nathan Drake. The role of Nathan Drake is one Fillion has wanted to play, as stated in his Instagram post. To date, the film has over 3 million views.
At first glance, it was as if you were looking at Captain Malcolm Reynolds from FireFly. (Fillion is great at comedic action roles.) You may also recognize Sully played by Stephen Lang (Terra Nova, Salem & Avatar) and El Tirgre played by Ernie Reyes Jr. (Ninja Turtles 2, Surf Ninjas). The 15-minute short film was full of comedic banter that will have you laughing and action moments like jumping out of a window. During parts of the film the way the camera would go to over-the-shoulder, and the quick tight angles gave it that first-person video game feeling.
After watching the short film, it left me wanting the full-length movie or TV series.
This episode of Catfish begins with Nev’s wife, Laura, walking into a room full of Catfish crew to a chorus of the Catfish-typical, “Heeeey!” and a round of hugs from everybody. Nev starts with the jokes right off the bat, first mentioning that he never gets that kind of greeting from the staff, and secondly making a sarcastic comment when Laura goes for the Starbucks drink on the table, telling her, “That’s my tea.”
Laura, of course, plays right along and lifts her hands in surrender, saying, “Woah! He is the host and I am the guest.”
Laura then explains that the usual co-host, Max Joseph, couldn’t be there today because he’s giving a TED Talk in France, and Nev jumps in to tell everybody watching to be nice to his wife online (aww). I’ve always really enjoyed the few glimpses of Laura we’ve gotten so far on the show. I find that since Laura’s a woman, she really brings a unique perspective to what’s going on that Max and Nev just can’t offer. So I’m definitely looking forward to seeing what Laura adds to this episode!
We jump right into the video clip from Angel, who tells us she’s 26 and lives in California. Five months ago, Angel met a guy named Jordan on Tindr and was very attracted to him. Jordan is 28 years old, he drives trucks… and he’s a rapper. Anybody who’s watched Catfish before knows that anybody who claims to be a singer/rapper or model automatically raises a red flag for the viewers. Angel says they had an instant connection, though, and she ended up giving him her number the same day they first spoke. She has been trying to meet up with him ever since, but he always has some kind of excuse. She confesses that she feels like Jordan is her soul mate and that they have a connection that she’s never had with anybody else, and ends the video message by begging Nev and Laura to please help her meet him.
Angel
Laura speaks her mind right away by saying, “Oh man. I want to be optimistic to her face right now, but I’m not optimistic.” Well, Laura, that makes two of us!
Nev gets Angel on Facetime, and starts asking her a little bit more about herself. The first thing they discover is that Angel, too, is a truck driver! Nev’s a little over excited about this if you ask me, exclaiming, “Are you kidding me!? You drive a truck, he drives a truck – you’re basically perfect for each other!” If only that was all it took, am I right? This is where it starts to get a little confusing, though.
Angel explains that she was in a three-year relationship with this guy named Brandon, but they broke up five months ago after she told him she loved him and he told her he wasn’t ready to commit.
Angel and Brandon
After the breakup, Angel went on Tindr to find somebody new so she didn’t have to think about Brandon anymore. She met Jordan that night, and the two of them spent five hours messaging back and forth. She tried to meet up with him in person, but he keeps saying he’s too busy. Nev asks where Jordan lives, and they discover he says he lives in Richmond, California, which is only twenty minutes away from Angel! It’s crazy that they haven’t met up yet!
Nev asks if they’ve ever Facetimed or talked on the phone, and Angel admits that they haven’t. Laura doesn’t bother to mince words at this point, and says, “So you know that something’s up!?”
Angel responds, “Yeah, which is why I broke up with him and got back with Brandon… but then I started talking to Jordan again. It’s just an on-and-off again relationship with both of these guys.” But then she explains that Brandon just broke up with her two weeks ago after she came clean to him about everything about Jordan.
Nev says, “So Jordan just ruined your real life relationship. What’re you doing messing around with this guy?”
Angel answers, “It’s just the connection! I feel like we have this emotional connection and I feel like he gets me in a way that Brandon hasn’t in the last year. He’s just perfect for me, really!”
They end the call with Angel and Laura immediately says, “Oh man, this guy’s lying about something major!”
Nev comes in strong with the first dad joke of the episode, saying, “For a woman who drives a truck, she’s not very good at reading signs.”
Let me tell you, as funny as the joke was, it was Laura’s over-exaggerated eye roll in response that really had me cackling! We get a montage of Laura and Nev at the airport where they explain Nev’s mom has their daughter, Cleo, for the week and they’re about to have an “adults’ week”. In the car after they land, they start talking about how suspicious it is that Angel and Jordan haven’t spoken on the phone yet. Nev reminds us, “Not talking on the phone almost always means they’re not the gender they say they are.”
They get to Angel’s house and go through a quick recap of everything that’s been going on with Brandon and Jordan. We learn that she made plans to meet up with Jordan at a bar. She brought her best friend Cece along and they ended up waiting for four hours but he never showed up, even after she called and texted him. She said that Cece was super supportive and told her that Jordan sounds like such a nice guy and that the two of them are going to be super cute together – and I’m not gonna lie, my Catfish senses are tingling at this point. Could Cece be Jordan?
Laura is clearly thinking along the same lines, because once Angel admits they’ve never spoken on the phone, she asks if she thinks Jordan could actually be a woman. Angel answers with, “I don’t really want to consider that. I love him. We’re supposed to be moving in together. We plan to get married.”
Angel is ready and willing to move in with Jordan despite never meeting or hearing his voice! Would you do the same? #Catfishpic.twitter.com/ZfEKafsdPK
Nev is just as skeptical as Laura. “Woah, woah, woah, wait – stop. You’ve been talking to him about getting married and moving in together? I gotta see this guy!” Angel shows them some pictures, landing on one mirror shot of the guy’s abs, and Nev jokes while working the camera, saying, “Just let me just get another shot of you guys drooling over this guy’s body.” He reaches out to wipe at Laura’s mouth with his hand and says, “Let me just get this little dribble here.”
“Jordan”
They ask to see some of the text messages between Angel and Jordan and after reading several “babes” Nev says, “Alright, you’re talking to a girl.”
“How do you know?” Angel asks him.
“Look at this!” Nev says, pointing to her phone. “Awwwh babe, cuddling sounds amazing right now.”
“Maybe he’s just a sensitive guy!” Angel suggests.
Nev responds by looking into the camera and once again making me laugh out loud with his expression.
Nev asks the final hard question: What about Brandon?
He asks if Angel’s in love with Brandon, and if she would want to be with him again right now if he was willing to commit the way she wanted him to. Angel admits that she can’t until she knows for sure that Jordan is who he says he is, so Nev and Laura take off to get down to business in order to figure out who Jordan really is.
They head to a cafe, and the first thing they do is start by doing a reverse image search for the photos Angel has of Jordan. Nev is discouraged immediately when the first picture comes up listed on “a million websites”. They find the real guy’s Instagram account and see that his name is Robert. They send a message to Robert asking him to hit them up, and then get back to work.
They run Jordan’s phone number and discover it’s listed as a landline, which Nev explains usually means the person is using a texting app – which was brand new information for me. Next, they go to the Instagram account Jordan has been using in order to contact people who have liked or commented on his posts. Pretty quickly, they stumble onto the fact that Angel’s best friend, Cece, has commented on some of his pictures!
Nev calls it just from that with, “I have a feeling she’s somehow involved.”
But that’s when Nev’s phone starts ringing – and it’s a Facetime from Robert! Nev explains the situation to him, and Laura asks him to confirm that he’s not talking to somebody named Angel, which he does. So that cements that Jordan doesn’t look like he said he did, but they still don’t know who he really is. Nev says he thinks they need to get in touch with Cece because he’s very suspicious of her.
They get Cece on the phone and ask her what she thinks of Jordan. “Well, it seems like he’s a pretty cool guy for her. She talks about this guy a whole bunch.”
Nev says, “You haven’t had any direct communication with him, have you?”
“No, I haven’t,” Cece answers. “I feel like that’s against the ‘girl code’. I can’t get past that, I can’t push that.”
That’s enough to have Laura writing a note for Nev that says, It’s not her! Once they hang up the phone, Laura repeats her thoughts.
“She brought up girl code! She seems like a good friend,” she adds.
Nev isn’t quite as convinced, and declares, “There’s no real leads, but I still have a hunch it’s Cece.”
The next morning, Laura and Nev are in their hotel room when Nev’s phone starts ringing. It’s Cece. She says she isn’t feeling all that great and wants to know if they can meet up somewhere. When Nev asks if everything’s okay, she responds, “No. Not really. I’d rather just tell you guys in person.”
Laura sticks to her guns even after that, and tells Nev in the car, “I bet she knows who the person is, but I don’t think it’s her.”
They get to Cece’s house, and Cece drops the bomb that she’s been talking to Jordan, too! At first, she said she was doing it just to get a feel for the guy that her best friend has been talking to, and then they DMed each other and ended up texting… and talking on the phone.
Laura says that if she was Angel, she’d be furious, and Cece says she knows that, but at the same time, she also feels like Angel had Jordan and that she’s been playing them both. I’m somewhere in the middle of Laura and Cece. While I don’t think what Cece is doing is okay at all, I also don’t feel super bad for Angel considering she’s kind of been playing two guys.
Nev asks if they can hear a voicemail from Jordan, and Cece plays it for them.
“That’s a guy’s voice,” Nev confirms. Then asks, “You think the energy and the love and the attention you’ve been getting from Jordan is meaningful and something you really want to pursue – enough that you’re willing to risk a long-time friendship with Angel?”
Cece says yes to all of the above, and Laura suggests going to meet up with Angel to tell her that she’s been talking to Jordan behind her back. They drive to Angel’s house and find Angel outside already. “There she is,” Nev announces. “Time to confess.”
Cece dives right in and says, “You know that guy Jordan you’ve been talking to? I’ve been talking to him.”
Cece and Angel
Angel is understandably shocked. “What? When did you even start talking to Jordan?”
“A few weeks ago. We’ve been texting, he calls me…”
“He calls you?” Angel asks, shocked all over again. “Like – a relationship talking?”
Angel gets upset and she and Cece go back and forth a few times with Cece trying to explain she only did it because Angel was playing two guys, too, and Angel repeating that it doesn’t matter. Finally, Nev breaks it up by saying now that Cece has confessed, it’s time for them to find out who the hell this guy really is. Nev offers for Cece to hang around while they figure it out, but Angel says she doesn’t want her around right now, so Angel goes inside and Cece gets taken back home.
Back inside Angel’s house, Laura brings up a good point. “Who is Jordan, and why is he going after your friend?”
“Did he ever really have feelings for me or was this all some kind of game? I need to know!” Angel responds.
Nev says they need to sit down so they can walk Angel through everything they’ve already found out about Jordan. He prepares her with a warning of, “You’re not gonna like this.”
And he’s right – she doesn’t. She refuses to believe that Robert on Instagram isn’t really Jordan right up until Nev shows her a video Robert took spelling it out for her.
“So this is not Jordan – so who am I talking to!?”
That’s what we all want to know, Angel! With no other options left but for Nev to reach out to Jordan via text, he goes ahead and does that. They tell him they’re with Angel, and that they now know that one of the reasons he didn’t want to meet her is because he isn’t the guy in the photos. Laura reads that they think he still owes it to Angel to meet her face to face and explain why he did this to her.
Once the message is sent, Angel opens up a little bit, explaining how crazy this is because her relationship with Brandon was starting to be the relationship she wanted it to be. But then Jordan came back and she just fell for him as soon as he came back. She explains she feels played – both by Jordan and Cece. Everything suddenly seems crystal clear as Angel says, “If I would’ve never talked to Jordan, me and Brandon would be in a serious relationship right now.”
Like Laura said earlier in the episode, the grass is always greener on the other side, and it looks like Angel had to learn that the hard way.
Nev and Laura take off again, and decide to bring Cece in on what they know about Jordan, including sending her the video from Robert. The next thing we see, Nev and Laura receive a text from Jordan saying that he can meet them at a park by the fountain later that day. Once their plans are concrete, they fill in Angel and Angel agrees that Cece should also come along. Without further ado, they head off to the park to find out Jordan’s true identity.
Cece gets a ride with Nev and Laura, and as they walk through the park she comments that she didn’t even know there was a fountain over here. They wait for almost a half hour without either Angel or Jordan showing up, and Cece wonders aloud if maybe Angel is here with Jordan. Then Nev adds on the next layer: maybe Angel is Jordan and she just made the whole thing up because she’s in love with Cece! Of course, that’s when Angel comes strolling into the park – alone.
Nev even comes right out and admits to his thoughts, saying, “So we’re just waiting. Trying to figure out what the heck is going on here. It’s not you is it? You’re not Jordan?”
“No!” she scoffs. “I’m not Jordan!”
Nev says it’s been a half hour since Jordan was supposed to show, and then Cece says to Angel, “You ain’t heard from him?” Angel says she hasn’t, and then the bomb drops. “You wanna know why you ain’t heard from him?”
Once again, the best thing about this moment for me wasn’t even the confession, it was the expression on both Nev and Laura’s faces! Absolutely priceless! Although I do have to say that I was completely blown away by the expression of utter and complete hatred on Cece’s face! How on earth do you pretend to be somebody’s friend for so long when you hate them as much as she obviously hates Angel!? At this point, I’m dying to know what Angel did to Cece to make her hate her so much!
Nev says, “I don’t understand. So you made the profile and it was you the whole time?”
“Why would you do this for this long?” Angel asks.
Cece is still super angry and aggressive looking, and I’ve watched enough episodes of Catfish to know that it is about to go down. “It don’t matter how long I’ve been doing it! You had it coming!” Nev asks what Angel had coming, and Cece explains, “This girl’s been stealing dudes from me for years. How does it feel? ‘Cause it don’t feel good, right? It don’t feel good!”
Nev gets Cece to confirm that she created the Tindr profile purposely to match with Angel and then asks about what guys Angel stole from her. Angel denies ever doing it, saying she never stole any guys from her, and then we get a moment that I can already guarantee you will go down in the Catfish history books, purely because of the rhyming involved.
Nev asks some more questions and uncovers that this happened almost ten years ago to men Cece was talking to (not even dating!) and Angel ended up drunk and sitting on their laps at a party. Like Laura says, it’s not cool, but it’s certainly not unusual for an 18/19-year-old to do at a party, and now the things that Cece has done to Angel is so much worse!
Angel tries to defend herself by saying those men were talking to her and not the other way around, and things escalate very quickly. Suddenly both girls are shoving one another and threatening to “lay each other out”, and Nev and Laura are awkwardly trying to separate them. Laura uses her mom voice and declares, “No one’s laying anyone out! Stop you guys!”
Cece says she’s done and wants to go home, quickly realizes she got a ride with Nev and Laura, and then we get my favorite moment of the entire episode.
Again, as great as the GIF and Cece demanding this was, it’s Nev’s reaction that made me laugh out loud. He was shook, and it was audible in his voice and the way he stumbles over his words a little.
“We can – we can – someone can take you home.”
I swear, I must have gone back ten times just to watch this single part over and over, and I laughed every single time.
Laura is off to one side of the park with Angel where we learn that she doesn’t remember the guy’s names, but she does remember sitting in somebody’s lap. Laura says that no matter how many years ago it was or how small it seemed, it obviously hurt Cece much more than she realized. That doesn’t make what Cece did okay, of course, but now at least it’s all out in the open.
Nev is with Cece, and Cece is going off about how Angel thinks she can get every dude just because of her looks and then she gets pushed to the curb. Every time they go out guys are always going after Angel, then when Cece finally finds a little bit of somebody’s attention, Angel comes and takes it away. Finally she admits, “Yes, it was not right for me to fake date her. And I’m sorry, y’all came out here to help her, but I had to get it out.”
Nev suggests that they all calm down and then meet up again so they can try to talk it out. Angel agrees, albeit reluctantly, and they get in the car for what appeared to be the world’s most awkward drive to a little cafe. Nev talks everything out and gets Cece to explain that the voicemail they heard was done by a friend. I’m not going to lie, she looks pretty darn pleased with herself over that.
“I know it wasn’t good but I wanted her to feel how I felt when she did those things to me. I wanted you to feel hurt like I did,” Cece says.
“I didn’t realize how much those guys meant to you. Really, I would never purposely do anything like that to you,” Angel responds, and I’m truly shocked by how chill she seems to be after all of this. I’m not entirely sure I’d have the same grace she’s displaying right now.
Laura interjects to say that they both hurt each other, but there’s no way that what Cece did is on the same level as what Angel did. Not only did she lie and pretend to be somebody else, she also affected Angel and Brandon’s relationship.
Now, Angel says, “I can’t believe I messed up that relationship for somebody I’ve never even met now.”
Nev suggests that maybe the door isn’t completely shut on Brandon, and if she’s up to it, he’d like to try to help Brandon to understand what happened. Cece says she is willing to come clean to Brandon, and so Brandon shows up to join them at the cafe. After everything gets explained to Brandon, he comments that there’s a lot to unpack.
Nev and Laura walk Cece out to leave Brandon and Angel to talk, and Angel admits she’s in shock, but she asks Brandon if he would ever be able to forgive him.
That’s when we cut forwards to two months later and a video call with Angel.
Angel says she and Brandon are back together. They talked and figured out what to do make their relationship work, and now he’s everything she wanted him to be. Brandon comes on screen to say that in a weird way, Jordan actually made their relationship better, which I thought was pretty cool of him to say.
As for Cece, she and Angel both agree that while their friendship is just not the same as it used to be, they have hope that they’ll be able to work through it in the future.
While I wasn’t totally shocked that Cece was the catfish this time around, the way that it all went down definitely took me by surprise, and as always, Nev’s reactions were the perfect comedic counterpart to all the drama. Having Laura as co-host worked really well, and as much as I missed Max (and I really did!) I think having her on-screen regularly whenever Max can’t make it would be a great move for the show.
Don’t forget to tune in next Wednesday to watch more of Catfish on MTV at 9/8c.
A longtime Hall H fixture, the multi talented King of Geeks Kevin Smith is now also an Inkpot Award winner. The Inkpot Award has been given out each year at San Diego Comic-Con since 1974. Smith is best known for roles from films like Clerks, Jay and Silent Bob and new comedy show Hollyweed.
Back in February, Smith had a massive heart attack also known as the “widow maker”. He attests the fact that he was “blazed as f*ck” kept him calm and prevented it from getting worse. We are all thankful that you survived – Hall H wouldn’t be the same without you.
Mark your calendars for Wednesday Nov. 28. The History Channel will premiere the second half of season 5 of Vikings. It will feature 10 episodes.
What will happen after the battle? How long will the new King of Kattegat last? What will Duke Rollo find when he returns? Here’s to seeing the rest of the season unfold!
Shadowhunters have cast the actor who will be playing the true identity of Clary’s (Katherine McNamara) brother Jonathan Morgenstern. For the remaining episodes of the third and final season, Luke Baines will portray her evil brother.
Shadowhunters is set to return with its last 12 episodes in 2019, with a two-hour season finale.
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